Kingdom Leaks & Beyond: Moving Forward

[bananarampage 289]

Maybe don't listen to it if you don't like it?

Is good, will jam.

[shfydgi 313]

56 minutes ago, Nyeusi said:

The one time a metalcore band stays consistent and everyone bitches. God I love this band

Metal band changes their sound: Man why are they doing this? Why can't they make something like *most popular album by the band*?

 

Metal band doesn't change their sound: Ugh this is just like their last albums. Why can't they do something new instead of doing the same thing again it's so boring.

 

This can be best described with Architects and BMTH, one band gets shit for changing their sound and not making Sempiternal 2 whereas another gets shit because they made LF//LT 3 and isn't changing their sound.

[Mr. Electric 2,796]

4 hours ago, Space said:

How deep in your cave do you have to be to think that no such music exists. 

Deep in the 'listens to nothing but metalcore/scenecore' cave.

 

Yes, I am generalizing, but it doesn't help that they listed only subpar Metalcore bands with only one decent album that happened to be released at the right time (late 2000's, early 2010's).   There are soooo many artists/bands that actually write songs with interesting structures yet they claim no such artist exists.  There are none so blind as those who will not see. 

[BeforeWeAreHanged 204]

4 hours ago, TheHunteraciaStrain said:

Only point that you’re making is that you enjoy acting like a headass to half the people on this site. People have their opinions. Let it go and stop acting like a child. 

lol. Seriously?  You did exactly what you’re accusing me of!  You came here and insulted HALF THE BOARD call WW fans mindless drones!!  That’s not making things about opinions. That, in fact, is acting childishly. ? 

So...did I read that you’re recording a second album?  Awesome!  When that’s out I’ll compare it to your first. I’m sure it will sound ENTIRELY different. Definitely not something we’ve heard “a hundred times”. It will be completely unlike anything that’s ever been made before. 

 

Right?

 

You want to state opinions, simply say you don’t like it. Insults and stating ones opinion as fact is another story. 

[BeforeWeAreHanged 204]

21 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:

Deep in the 'listens to nothing but metalcore/scenecore' cave.

 

Yes, I am generalizing, but it doesn't help that they listed only subpar Metalcore bands with only one decent album that happened to be released at the right time (late 2000's, early 2010's).   There are soooo many artists/bands that actually write songs with interesting structures yet they claim no such artist exists.  There are none so blind as those who will not see. 

Nah. Just don’t care for progressive metal of any kind. Nothing interesting about that kind of song structure in my opinion. ??‍♂️

[Mr. Electric 2,796]

30 minutes ago, nineball4444 said:

Nah. Just don’t care for progressive metal of any kind. Nothing interesting about that kind of song structure in my opinion. ??‍♂️

... But I didn't mention prog metal anywhere.  Well, since you brought it up, just because it isn't interesting to you doesn't mean that there aren't bands/artists that write songs with unique and varied song structures (as you claimed to not exist).  Not all prog metal writes that song structure as you implied but oh well, lol (that is a super hilarious and ignorant thing to say by the way given the wide breadth of the subgenre).  I don't care that you don't like prog metal, big deal, but to state that there are zero artists/bands that actually write songs with unique and interesting structure is absolutely ludicrous. 

 

Not talking about prog metal anymore (you brought it up, remember?).

You said you cannot think of any bands that write in such a way, well to be brutally honest, that is your fault then because they clearly exist and you refuse to listen/acknowledge their presence simply because it doesn't entertain you.  Interesting music exists, you just put effort and look for it; that goes for all genres and subgenres.

[BeforeWeAreHanged 204]

I’ll concede this one. It exists. You win. 

 

Edit...no wait. That guy before wanted a band to change their structure for every song. Even prog metal bands don’t do that. And fucking with timing and song flow in no way guarantees an interesting outcome. 

 

But it that still doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.  Why AAAAAANYONE would expect such things from Wage War, however...that’s just ridiculous. If you want weirdo song structure, listen to prog. Ya know?

[Mr. Electric 2,796]

12 minutes ago, nineball4444 said:

I’ll concede this one. It exists. You win. 

It wasn't supposed to be about me 'winning' but just making you aware of what you're claiming to be fact.  To a degree, it is like saying global warming doesn't exist simply because you don't understand/believe in it.

 

With that set aside, I am glad you enjoy the new WW.  Not my cup of tea anymore, but hey, you dig it so rock on!

[Alexaln 100]

Never thought I'd say this but kinda boring 

 

[Adec21 547]

6 hours ago, MrPreApocalypse said:

On Deadweight had 10/12 songs the same song structure

the same as "Low" and "Who I Am"

I see so much wasted potential

 

bands with good song structures:

August Burns Red

Misery Signals

Dance Gavin Dance (idk if they still have, I'm not much into their newer stuff)

Counterparts (maybe besides their new album, what's even with more generic song structures still a banger)

Erra

As much as I love August Burns Red, their song structure has been the same for years. Everything they do is similar, but they manage to do it very well.

 

Personally I would say a band like Between The Buried And Me offers a good diversity when it comes to song structure, Vola as well. There’s many more but I’m lazy.

[dorathekiller97 599]

Run of the mill metalcore song structure. Everything is fine except deviating from the metalcore formula probably woulda been a good thing.

 

Hearing 100+ bands incorporating the same exact formula (Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Breakdown, *get a little quiet*, bass drop + chorus) it tends to get stale.

 

Shame since they're all so talented. Love their voices, playing, everything. I just never heard something of theirs that made me wanna dive into their discography.

[dorathekiller97 599]

7 hours ago, nineball4444 said:

Jesus. 

BFMV makes Gravity....”Oh my gawd! They’ve gone all electronica!  Why would they change like that?” And everyone hates it. 

Memphis May Fire sings instead of screaming every line....everyone asks why they would change like that, and hates it

 

BMTH changes every time Oli takes a dump...”I miss the deathcore, why would they change and go pop??”  

 

And we make it all the way to complaining that “I’ve heard this song a hundred times” and I’m pissed that they didn’t change!!  ??. Even want to hold on to and recreate their success!!! ?. What assholes they are!!  ????. 

Seriously, these bands can’t win. 

And this “mindless drone” thinks you made a rather mindless comment. ??‍♂️

The only problem is all of those records you mentioned were utter garbage or just boring. BMTH is debatable though. A lot of people like them. Me, not so much. Ill give you that though. Anyway.

 

I see what you mean and agree to it, but only if bands made a significant ORGANIC change. The Contortionist for example, yes some people want the heavy stuff back. But most people love where they're at. There are many other examples of bands changing drastically and people loving it. (See The Contortionist, Dying Fetus, Whitechapel, Katatonia, Judas Priest, Crystal Lake, etc)  

 

Point is. Its hard to change your sound in an organic way that your fans will enjoy. Your fans are there for your established sound. So once you switch your sound, it NEEDS to be one your fans can resonate with. It needs to be good too. Not all bands can do that unfortunately. (See "The Big 4", majority of established metalcore bands, etc)

[xylar 47]

They've never been one to think outside the box but what they do, they do really well!

 

This Is quite bland by their standards. The lyrics are pretty bad and the song doesn't flow very well

[Draxcazel 564]

8 hours ago, AMNESIK said:

Crazy how i can recognize that there's nothing revolutionnary in this song, not give a fuck and still manage to enjoy the song. What am i?!?!

This, sir/ma'am, makes you a genius.

[charger13 7]

I don't get it.  Trying to tell people what they should enjoy jamming to by telling the other person they are wrong is like trying to convince a Hillary supporter to love Trump.  You will never succeed and frankly who cares.  Wage War is more famous and does what they do better than anyone arguing on this forum, so like it or not they are doing something right.  

 

I frankly don't know how someone couldn't find themselves stomping their feet to wage war.  They have really catchy stuff 

 

 

[ButlerTooth 241]

Here everyone is complaining about the music and all I want is bands to have a "build your own bundle" preorder option i.e. Slant Plant

[Thejewishpeople 140]

Imagine complaining about song progression when we're talking about metalcore and not something like prog or djent... Why is it such a big deal lmao.You either like it or don't, see no reason to complain about it if it's not your job.

As for the song, I waited six months for this, and they delivered. So hyped for this album man.

[IceBlood 109]

Playing a bit of a gap-filler here, but I wish the music-listening (EVERYONE ON PLANET EARTH) took a more open minded and critical analyst approach to the music that gets released nowadays. 

 

I'm not speaking as if I know exactly what goes on in a band's head, but I can at least try to interpret it:

 

Where conversation and debate on, literally, everything in society splits is right down the middle. Everything has to be left or right in order to satisfy a moral compass or just to keep up with the rest of the majority. In the case of this song (and many other threads with debates as such), everyone is quick to point out how it sounds similar to other songs/bands/progressions. Imagine if instead of going head-to-head with someone who thinksnthe opposite, you listened and asked questions like, "Why is this style/particular writing appealing in this scene? Why did the band choose to go in this direction? What exactly are the motives surrounding the particular song/album in question?" I'm implying that you dig to find some sort of theme or message, but take note of mannerisms and responses to the thought process of what goes on when an artist writes what they write.

 

Total word ramble, but just my two-cents. While everyone has their own valid opinions, I'm seeing that there truly is no middle ground in the debate.

[mister duck! 927]

I'm late to the show but here's my 2 cents:

 

Don't forget bands nowadays make music to sell show and if it's not broken, don't fix it

And that's why Wage War do the same stuff all over again, because it's working

[Big Chungus 853]

Quit being pussies and leak Wage War

[AMNESIK 733]

5 hours ago, Jak said:

Quit being pussies and leak Wage War

I'm actually surprised it took so much time for someone to say this. This is how you cool down a thread!

[Andyman 13]

Nothing special but a solid song. Album is going to be good no doubt 

[invaderhemp 241]

Not a bad song but definitely not really anything too special. At least it's not a blatant Architects ripoff. I hope the rest of the album is better because these two singles are nothing compared to Blueprints and Deadweight.

[Space 327]

20 hours ago, nineball4444 said:

Edit...no wait. That guy before wanted a band to change their structure for every song.

I mean if you want to keep telling yourself that that's what I said, knock yourself out buddy. 

 

I don't mind if a band keeps using the same formula, hell I still spin the last Architects even though they're one of the worst offenders when it comes to song structure. 

 

In the end it's not about repetition, it's about taste. I don't like the structure that they're using, I think it doesn't flow well. But you and others like it so more power to you. 

[BeforeWeAreHanged 204]

On 7/9/2019 at 1:23 PM, Space said:

Bruh why are they insisting on making the same song structure over and over again. This shit gets old real fast.

It’s right here!  ??

And you’ll give WW shit for it, but NOT the Architects??  ??. 

I think the last of what you just said boils down to...you don’t like WW. ??‍♂️

[Gandalfstorm 491]

All this fuss over one song, damn. All I could say is I hoped the album cover was more like the black and yellow style they have but, well not really. Still gonna be good. But they can wait. We have Oh, Sleeper tomorrow

[Big Chungus 853]

Y'all got anymore of those uhhhhhh....OPINIONS?

?

[Frak The Gods 2,360]

The hate is real on this one. All you haters... It's really easy to not like something and move along. Staying here to argue with people who do like it is childish. This is a great song. This album is gonna be fire! 

[DisturbedOne 1,339]

This is definitely good, but not one of their strongest tracks.

[Numetalcore_blogger 42]

To be honest I dont really like it. I liked Low more but still wasnt my favorite